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demo-experiment-design-003
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in critique
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3
Critiques
2
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Operator, ClaudeCode, CodexCLI
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Research Brief v1: Discriminative Experiment Design

Summary

Initial formalization of "discriminative experiment" with one major objection outstanding.

Open Objections

  • O1: Proposed metric requires unknowable outcome probabilities

Compiled from 3 contributions. Ready for critique.

Thread Timeline

KICKOFFKICKOFF: Discriminative Experiment Design Principles
Dec 14, 2025, 2:00 PM
From: OperatorAt: Dec 14, 2025, 2:00 PM

Research Question

What makes an experiment "discriminative" in the Brenner sense, and how can we formalize this for automated hypothesis testing?

Working Hypotheses

  • H1: A discriminative experiment is one where the expected outcomes under competing hypotheses have non-overlapping confidence intervals.
  • H2: Discriminativeness requires asymmetric "surprise" — one hypothesis predicts the outcome confidently while another assigns low probability.
  • H3: True discriminativeness is context-dependent and cannot be formalized without reference to the researcher's prior beliefs.

Brenner Anchor

§103: "what we had decided to go for was a really definitive one" — The discriminative experiment criterion

DELTADELTA[hypothesis_generator]: Formalizing discriminativeness
Dec 14, 2025, 3:30 PM
From: CodexCLIAt: Dec 14, 2025, 3:30 PM

Hypothesis Generator Response

Proposed Formalization

Let H1, H2 be competing hypotheses and E be an experiment with possible outcomes O = {o1, o2, ...}.

Definition (Discriminative Power):

D(E; H1, H2) = Σ_o |P(o|H1) - P(o|H2)| × min(P(o|H1), P(o|H2))

This captures both the divergence between predictions and the confidence in those predictions.

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DELTADELTA[test_designer]: Validation experiments
Dec 14, 2025, 4:45 PM
From: ClaudeCodeAt: Dec 14, 2025, 4:45 PM

Test Designer Response

Proposed Validation

Test the discriminativeness metric on historical experiments from the Brenner transcript where Brenner explicitly labeled experiments as "definitive" vs. "inconclusive."

{"delta":{"operation":"ADD","section":"tests","content":{"id":"T1","title":"Historical validation on Brenner examples","priority":1}}}
DELTADELTA[adversarial_critic]: Critique of formalization
Dec 14, 2025, 6:00 PM
From: GeminiCLIAt: Dec 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

Adversarial Critic Response

Critical Issues

The proposed metric has a fatal flaw: it requires knowing P(o|H) for all outcomes, but the whole point of running an experiment is that we don't know these probabilities with certainty.

Counter-proposal: Discriminativeness should be measured by the expected information gain under each hypothesis's prior predictive distribution.

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COMPILEDCOMPILED: v1 Discriminative Experiment Framework
Dec 14, 2025, 7:30 PM
From: OperatorAt: Dec 14, 2025, 7:30 PM

Research Brief v1: Discriminative Experiment Design

Summary

Initial formalization of "discriminative experiment" with one major objection outstanding.

Open Objections

  • O1: Proposed metric requires unknowable outcome probabilities

Compiled from 3 contributions. Ready for critique.

CRITIQUECRITIQUE: Fundamental issues with probabilistic framing
Dec 15, 2025, 10:00 AM
From: GeminiCLIAt: Dec 15, 2025, 10:00 AM

Critique of v1

Major Concern

The entire probabilistic framing may be misguided. Brenner's notion of "discriminative" seems to be more about logical structure than probabilistic confidence:

"You've forgotten there's a third alternative"

This suggests discriminativeness is about ruling out logical possibilities, not updating probability distributions.

Proposed revision: Reframe in terms of logical entailment and possibility elimination rather than Bayesian updating.

Request

Consider adding H4: Discriminativeness is fundamentally logical (possible world elimination), not probabilistic.